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Death camps mean Mao and Stalin were butchers.

Not Democrats or Moderate Republicans, or for that matter, not even Liberals and Progressives.

A distrust of right-wing politics and economics does not automatically mean an endorsement of Communist dictatorship, and a refusal to immediately implement your brand of exremism does not mean a government is on the slippery slope to the Gulag, either.

There are many countries in the world (in fact, almost all the "Western Liberal Democracies" who you have called "Socialist" at one time or another), who show no signs of sliding into a state of death camps and Bolshevik horror. There are also innumerable examples of murderous right wing dictatorships that you have defended merely because they declared themselves anti-Communist. And of course, there are plenty of butchers throughout history who never heard of Communism or Capitalism. Butchery and economics are indeed related, but not in the way you've convinced yourself

Nazis had death camps, but you have conveniently decided they are Communists too, so you have managed to define that flat-earth, fake-moon-landing, Elvis lives contradiction right out of existence.

Tom, you are obsessed with the idea that everyone is out to plunder your goods, so you view the world through a glass, darkly. Every contradiction or questioning, much less outright challenge, of your position is seized upon as evidence of the persuasiveness, ruthlessness and diabolical ubiquity of your enemies, and of their imminent success.

Yes, look at this thread. I started with a post that mildly disagreed with Buck's theoretical position, although I was somewhat sympathetic to its main suggestion. You had to jump in because it threatened one of your fundamental axioms, the infallibility of the founding fathers, and that said infallibility can be logically demonstrated.

It went downhill from there, because you don't like your any of your axioms questioned. It is obvious you believe that anyone who questions even one of them is at the very least, mistaken. In mathematics, axioms are optional, they can't be proven or misproven. They can only be proposed.

Well, I question ALL of your axioms. And I'm not a Communist, or a Socialist, or even opposed to Capitalism (although I don't worship it as if it were straight from god).

That's what you find so disturbing about me. It's not that I'm a True Believer Marxist, hell, you could understand that, you've met people like that before, or at least, you've
imagined them. No, what really terrifies you is that someone who isn't a True Believer Marxist doesn't believer any of your political calculus, who not only rejects it as bad politics, but who views it as an anomalistic pseudoscience, a crackpot religion, a paranoid conspiracy theory, a superstitious folk tale.

And since I don't feel that way about all Conservatives, some of whom I even agree with on some matters, I'm afraid that it must be your fault.

And yes, employing children as coal miners may not be as evil as sending them to Siberia, but it's still fucking intolerable. I cannot believe you would actually use that moral non sequitur to make your point.

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