I think you forget that I have and am working the twelve step program Bowser.

All that you so intolerantly expect from others and your down right meanness is what I have issues with. Do you really believe bullying and total verbal exasperation is going to make people want to even consider what you ask of them? You never had children? Children are on loan for mindful parents to teach us the fine art of diplomacy.

I learned along time ago that honey works a whole hell of a lot better than vinegar in trying to get someone to understand one's point of view.

Your post about AA is great. Fine. Good. I KNOW...for I too have walked that line. OA and Al Anon.

One thing God understands is that we do the best we can until we know how to do it differently.

You have the infinite ability to goad, shame, lecture and humiliate those whom would be the most willing to listen to what you have to say.

However, listening to someone means you listen back....with respect.