The Cast: My friend, about 5, playing under the table where the "men" were having their pre-Thanksgiving Dinner drinks. Glenn Jackson's grandson.

Wayne Morse, Senator from Oregon.

Mark Hatfield, Governor of Oregon, future Senator.

Glenn Jackson, the political power in Oregon, behind the scenes, nothing got done without him.

The boy remembers there being an argument, with Wayne Morse holding that the Gulf of Tonkin affair did not happen, was created by Johnson as an excuse to broaden US involvement in the war.

Mark Hatfield and Glenn Jackson insisting that it must have happened, Johnson wouldn't lead the nation down that road without reason.

The next election Bob Packwood beat Morse largely over Morse's opposition to the war in Vietnam.

We should have learned from that, our political leaders will sell us out, will lie, cheat and steal to get us into war, and yet there's Iraq. Same nonsense, different political party.

None of them can be trusted, none of them can be believed, and yet some people still insist, for example, that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice didn't lie. I think we all realize Johnson was a scoundrel.