We still get frustrated with each other, it get's rough, but doesn't seem as hateful as it was. People seem to get over it The closest thing to the hate of old times seems to come from one of the returnees who hasn't learned the new etiquette yet.

I think it's a bit more thoughtful, although TB still worships the megacorporations and doesn't believe any GWB lied and I'm still somewhere to the left of Hawaii.

The invective seems mostly to be a by-product, not the purpose. SDAI came around with great pronouncements about Man, the Universe and the US election, none of which were correct and he wandered off.

So that's what I"ve seen - a safer, calmer, less hostile but no less passionate place. Worth the time one spends now, now worth the time one used to spend.

Take your time leaving and hurry back, as the father of a friend of mine used to say.

Overall, from my point of view it's a worthwhile place.