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Bob Clark wrote:
According to Holger Isenberg

Alex writes:
This wouldn't by chance happen to be the same lunatic found at:
http://www.mars-news.de/, would it?

As for TES data, I (and most scientists in the community) are familiar with the TES bolometer measurements, which have been posted on the Web for quite some time. Moreover, preprints of papers are routinely in circulation for comments before submission to journals.

At any rate, again I'll refer you to Leovy's paper in Nature, as well as Mars, edited by Kieffer et al.

Alex R. Blackwell
University of Hawaii
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That's not very kind. It would be sufficient to say you don't agree with his anomalist viewpoint. Holger was the one who pointed me to this TES web page. He found the graph on the TES web site and wrote to one of the scientist responsible for the graph. According to this scientist they were planning on writing a paper on the data.
I'll certainly take a look at the papers you cite. However, certainly the scientists making conclusions about the possibilities on liquid water at a site on Mars would base that on the most favorable conditions at the site. They wouldn't say liquid water is impossible at a site based on the average temperature at that site anymore than you would say liquid water in impossible in Antartica based on the average temperature being below zero in Antartica.

Bob Clark