BD wrote: Face it - this canvas, plywood, duct tape, and amateur fake astronaut crap has fallen flat on its face - and you won't admit the obvious.

Chris writes: I still don't quite understand your logic.

GreenHab is not green. So the Mars Society is a failure? You a nut or something? Right! We also use, aluminum, fiberglass, gasoline, oil and water. Your point about listing materials used is? You know that Gilbert Levin has used Mars analog soil samples many times. So isn't his science in question for using fake Mars soil?

Whether you like it or not, science is being done at MDRS. The folks there currently are running a full simulation with people working in Analog Spacesuits when outside of the HAB. They have a dust collection system running and data is being collected. Tools are being modified to work better at this Mars analog and possibly on Mars. I also note you made no comment about Bill Clancey's work at MDRS. Why?

--Chris Vancil