Day job
You don't have to be a doctor of chemistry to know that ozone will snap back to O2 with very little provocation.
The default for human societies since Ur has been enormous stratification, enforced by physical power, and under the absolute rule of a centralized authority. The exceptions have been few, far between, and compared to the great empires of history, short-lived.
People like to imagine living in a variety of brave new worlds. Nobody ever imagines they'd be anything other than an Alpha.
It would be fun to talk with these two guys, but I'd first have to find out what the Latin phrase was for "who programs the programmers."