Both. I subscribe to a philosphy of multiplicities, for instance, the simplest of which is duality, as in quantum mechanics, particles create fields, field define particles. So God could represent both the creation and the implementation (sometimes referred to as natural evolution). I create things that subsequently evolve, does that make me God?

The subject of the thread was a quote from a movie. I don't watch very many movies, but the very few I watch are usually the best and the funniest.

I haven't seen it but I googled it up, it looks interesting.

I happen to be very concerned about the emergence of propoganda and facism in America. It's a slow and insideous process, it doesn't happen overnight, but it is happening in America just as surely as it happened in Nazi Germany.

I believe that nature and technology are not incompatible, for instance, space colonization, but they must be complementary, as in duality. You can't create one thing at the expense of the other. Without nature, technology will surely destroy us.

Oh, I forgot, this is a flame board. My dad can beat up your dad. He's got a bigger SUV and a bigger gun too.