re: For the Moon
Yes, Horowitz pointed this out at his talk at TMSC-8
He is with ATK now and brought an nice set of models of the HLV (very much like the Aries) and the stick. They would like better names for them.
There is of course a big different in design as this HLV has the four engines inline and as Raoul points out a major change in pad's blast redirecting channels would be needed.
