And there weren't before, even with the Cheney's best efforts to twist reality.

And it was predicted this would happen. And did. They've infested the place.

Now, I'll have to concede that anyone who is so blinded by dogma they can't see reality will be impossible to convince of that.

Even if their DoD blogs talk about pitched battles with al-Qaeda, where no al-Qaeda existed before. Even if the presence of al-Qaeda is talked about in the press, by the rest of the military, by the Iraqis. When none existed before.

Nope. Not a haven, because they HAVE TO FIGHT AMERICANS, which is what they wanted to do in the first place.

The reality is that anyone who can't see that the Bushies lied to get the US into this will not see that it's a disaster, etc. And it's a fool's errand to shine light through the dogma blindfold.