My point, which you evaded, was that it is hypocritical in the extreme to bring up the Geneva Convention in relation to the British personnel when the US blatantly disregards it left and right, including my example of the still-unaccounted for Iranians. At least Iran is clear that it is holding the Brits and has released videos and staatements.

And how is it that the Brits confessions are automatically discounted (which I think is an appropriate response) while confessions of people detained by the US (even those extracted using torture) are automatically accepted as correct (by the right)?

By the way, jingoism isn't "being on the side of your own nation", it's "my nation, right or wrong". Supporting the policies of the Government even when they have been shown to be disastrous. I don't think anyone who posts here is against the US itself, though some are firmly against some current policies. Equating dislike of administration policies with hatred of the country is dishonest. For example, I think that Bowser probably loves his country more fiercely that almost anyone else here, but he wants it to live up to it's ideals, it's constitution, it's potential, it's past great accomplishments. This goes for most others who are anti-Bush.

To make a simple analogy: if your child was goofing off and cutting classes, would calling them for it and grounding them mean that you were "against" your child? I'm sure you will disagree with this one, but I stand by it.