The Conservative circle jerk. (Watch a particular moderator wonder how to censor this without censoring the posts below. Heh, heh.)

Bush, Cheney et al and their illegal, unconstitutional warrantless surveillance have filled the news. Abuse of the NSA, and other agencies, has been rampant. Gonzales testifying there were no illegal FBI abuses of Patriot powers after being advised at least three times there were has filled the news. Those are the chief law enforcement folks in this increasingly lawless land.

CIA secret prisons, torture, as well as domestic spying have been verified, over and over.

And all you have to do to make it false in your own minds is deny it. No Second Life necessary. Complete fantasy lives based upon childhood fairy tales. For some, Emperor will always have wonderful clothes, because the Emperor said so.

As for my conversations, or yours, they are irrelevant to any process. The only difference is that mine make sense.

Arf