Were you able to listen to or read the interview?
...So part of what used to drive me crazy about the hawkish prescriptions on Iran from inside Washington and Israel is that either argument led to war. If Iran is really powerful, we must take them out because they must be stopped, because they’re on the precipice of doing something. Or they’re weak, so we can take them out.
I do think it bears saying, first of all, that we should have a mind-set that war is bad and should be avoided. That should be a legal and values proposition that there are preferable outcomes to war itself...