There seems to be a general concensus that msnbc postings are fit for derision. My sole purpose for posting to bbs's (any bbs) is to exchange ideas, propose ideas, work them through, and perhaps get feedback. I have philosophically, if not academically, leapfrogged anyone else in my age-group because of this resource, and I am tired of the constant disrespect by people such as PhilW. People interested in Cydonia, UFO's, etc, are probably artistically motivated for the most part. But no one here seems to recognize it. I have been though university and taken every course a real engineer would have, and all it taught me was that real life is pointless. That training gave me the skills to repeatedly "engineer" myself out of a job, and to follow all my inventions, ideas & dreams to inevitable failure. Not because they are bad ideas, or theoretically impossible, just that the engineering is literally impossible due to actual available material resources. Thank god for artists who provide us with entertainment.