frank wrote: "How can you deny that most of what is posted here on both sides is just perception/opinion/spin."

Easy, it isn't. Most of what Fox, TomB, Marry Anne, REB, Robert, McFly, RobVG (and many others I don't have space to name!!!) etc write is honest and well-thought-out statements of position or opinion. Political opinion is NOT spin, nor are debates about those positions or opinions.

Frank wrote: "My post on WMD is no more than a positive spin on the possible future of the WMD search."

Sorry you see yourself that way, or equate the political exchanges here, in their quality, to 'Spin'.

Frank wrote: "Why don't you accept your own challenge and point out what you think is not political BS and what is fact."

I certainly have already for the negative case- what is not spin on this board. What IS spin is the attempt to take facts or events and give them extra meaning. More specifically, a meaning that intentionally skews the actual import of of those facts and/or events, so that they serve a intentional pre-meditated agenda.

Case-in-point: Don takes a nudie Pic of Arnold and sells it as indicitive of Arnold not having any credibility as a candidate. (All that nude pics of Arnold means is that Arnold had nude pics taken of him at some point in his life.)

Case in point: Larry J saying 'That Saddam supports terrorism', as uttered by Bush, is justified by saddam sending money to the families of West Bank Suicide bombers.

Etc

Frank wrote: "I will probably be as likely to agree with you as you are with me"

You would be surprised, there was a point in time in our interaction that I was inclined to agree with you on many issues. That point is long passed, unfortunately- and I'm sure you will be able to guess the reason for this.

Davin L.