tom wrote: "I reiterate, if you assume EVERYONE mentioned in all my links is lying, I'm not sure where to go from there. "

Not what I am saying, What I AM saying is that most of your claims and the claims of those you reference point to a collection of about 5 core people. If those people are lying then yeah, it all comes tumbling down.

A thousand people can affirm that 5 people said that the butler did it. If the 5 people are lying though, it does not mean the 1000 people are.

Also, Khoboda and friend, and the 'Brothers-in-law' are some of the very same sources for both WMD data and info on terrorism. Lets see, if the WMD has turned out entirely false(*1), then what should we suspect about the terrorism? And since when should the USA go to war on the say so of a handfull of suspicious people?

Tom wrote: " What other source would you accept as valid corroboration? With all these previously-mentioned entities falling short in your credibility department, who could turn the tide?"

Hmmm, if they are so credible, then why have we not fould WMD at Salman Pax? Recall, WMD was one of those activities the INC said we'd find at Salman Pax. Why have we not found ANYTHING like what those INC defectors said we'd find?

If they were so air-tight before the war, then how is it that I was able to find articles and data that contradicted them pre-war? Don't you remember?

You were sold a bill of goods. And your still going over the reciept trying to figure it out.

Tom wrote: "Hans Blix and the United Nations? "
Red Herring

Tom wrote: "The Democratic National Committee? Walter Cronkite?"
Red herring

Anything else tom?

(*1)that has not validated, we both can at least agree. No matter what Iraqs intention, there appears not to be the substantial active program and stockpiles of WMD in Iraq)