Okay, so now Woodward is lying.

O'Niel is a liar. Shinseki is a fruit and an implied liar. O'Neil is a liar. Clarke is a lair.


For some ballance (in equally sarcastic tone):
Either that or Condi, Powel, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Tenet, Free, Ashcroft etc are liars.

maybe I missed something, why is Gen. Shinseki in there? and you listed O'Neil twice?


(Ah yes, but call Bush a liar and thats uncalled for here?)

Its interesting how these liars can be so consistent with eachother. Its interesting how close to the inside these liars were. So are we to postulate a greand conspiracy that cuts through high level staff, Army officials and the press? Or maybe occams razor applies.


I don't see much consistency. Are they coroborating each others individual accounts?

Just three books, that are probably fine peices of work by themselves, with tiny controversial statements sprinkled in the text on a couple pages.

these staments are released to the media before hand and the book flies off the shelves due to the ensueing media circus and speculation. Doesn't have to hold up, doesn't have to be true. Just has to sell.

Three books, put out right before an election. . . If I were writing a book on my experiences in the Bush administration I would be seriously tempted to add a last minute edit to my book referenceing the obscure time at the BBQ in the rose garden when I overheard Bush saying we captured Bin Laden and were holding him until October, and swear its true. I wouldn't of course but, my editors would sure be pushing me too, or at least tyr to phrase true thing in a more sinister context.


I am very interested, of course, in hearing the bombastic explications of why it doesn't, and how all of these 'liars' are not really mutually consistent,

post on why they are mutually consistent first, them we can discuss it, burden of proof is on you.

and how the things written in black and white don't really mean what they really say, or say what they mean or ....


who has used this argument?


Please, by all means... With voices high in chorus. Explain this to me.

Davin L.


Explain your side first Davin.