Man, you post stuff like that as if the other side is rooting for some other outcome. Are you that blind in your convictions that you can ignore the possibility that we might just fail there? I'm certain every one of the people on this board want Iraq to be peaceful, free and without violence. If democracy can bring that to them, then we'd be fools to not wish that upon them.

But follow history REB. Take some time and analyze the successes and failures of US foreign policy in the past. Our attempts to introduce democracy into chaotic countries has had dismal outcomes in nearly all cases. I know you're stomping at the bit to invoke the examples of Japan and Germany as to our successes but you do know that in both those cases, we were talking classical surrender terms where the militaries laid down arms and were clearly identifiable. I believe our only chance in Iraq was in completely disarming the country first, prior to trying to instill democracy there and I have no clue how we would accomplish that.