"Ignoring facts"
Yes, the infant mortality rate is much lower.
Abortion is illegal in Ireland. In other nations too, that have state health care, but that's the outstanding first-world example.
Try to imagine your totally government-controlled health care system. Now imagine it with Republicans holding down Congress and the presidency. What would happen then?
Do liberals have any problems with, say, Ireland’s health care system?
Any idiot should have seen where I was going with that. None of them did.
Of course, no liberal is capable of visualizing his ideal, all-powerful state under the control of anybody else except someone who thinks exactly like him. In fact, there are lots of things they don't seem to be able to visualize.
Your side has no brain, guys.
Ignorance is held up as a badge of honor, information is declared to have nothing to do with knowledge, and it's painfully obvious you don't even research or think through what you're writing, much less what anyone else writes.
Every response in one of these back-and-forths contains at least two more chunks of crap that would have to be dealt with, and it's like dealing with the neutrons in a chain reaction.
When a liberal shows up with the horsepower for these conversations, let me know. I'm beginning to think that's very difficult. A leftist who thinks his ideas through often stops being one. The rest is just years of natural selection.