Just seen clips of Irwin since he died. I'm sorry it happened, seems a great waste.

And he WAS molesting and abusing the animals I've seen in the clips. No reason to do some of the things he was doing except to make fun of 'em.

I'm not surprised that people who admire that would take it out on stingrays.

And the one that killed him was at home, not bothering anyone, apparently minding it's own stingray business. They seem to be the bumblebees of the shallow waters, capable of causing misery but not doing it unless molested.

And no one in this case would every acknowledge molestation if it did occur.

Arf