Bush took office, refused to honor Clinton's agreements with N. Korea, told 'em to give up nuke research, "or else". Facts.

Bush "or elsed" 'em for years, refusing to enter meaningful negotiations, simply telling 'em to give up nukes first and then we'll talk. Fact.

North Korea didn't worry much, knowing it didn't have oil. It continued research, culminating in the test of something which created radioactivity. Said demonstration proved that if a nuke weren't here, it was on the way. Facts.

Bush cut off the exportation of iPods and other "luxury" goods to North Korea from the United States. Facts.

Other nations in the area continued to negotiate. Bush decided to join in after having the manure kicked out of him in Iraq and being reminded again that unlike Iraq and Iran, North Korea does not have oil. (Not to worry, he's found more manure.) Facts.

North Korea agreed to discontinue nukes in exchange for aid. Apparent fact.

Exactly what Clinton negotiated, nukes for aid. That was Bill Clinton, otherwise known as William Jefferson Clinton, "Bubba". Fact.

It doesn't seem reasonable under the circumstances to talk about Bushs' negotiating prowess. Clinton beat him early, North Korea beat him later, and badly. Facts.

And the Rest Of the World knows it. Facts.

The above is what's apparent from following the matter. Unfiltered through Limbaugh, not issued as talking points by blogs, not skewing and slewing data, not inflating minimal participation in meetings, and not using dogma as a litmus test for accuracy.

Conjecture. Bush's credibility as a Commander in Chief is at about zero in the ROW, being regarded much as an infant with a gun. Not capable of using it wisely or even sanely, but could shoot someone.

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