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Ah, the fairy tale expert speaks!

And that would be, not you, but me.

Fairy tales, throughout their long, illustrious, sometimes gruesome, and yes, multicultural history, have had two main themes: surface appearance deceives, and true power derives from virtue. Other, incidental lessons appear -- avoid talking to strangers, don't eat other people's houses -- but are only incidental to the main lines of the lessons fairy tales teach.

Now, it doesn't always work that way, as our political history, including contemporary history, shows us. Yet this is folk wisdom, folk culture. This is what village grandmothers and grandfathers told their grandchildren. We aren't talking about the upper classes here

Then Charles Perrault began to collect tales for the amusement of Louis XIV's court under the influence of Louis's last wife and former governess of the royal bastards, the very respectable Mme. de Maintenon. Once the ruling classes got hold of the old traditional tales, the stories were retold "tastefully" in order to teach proper lessons of submission. The female characters in particular were robbed of all their power, especially their sexual power, until much later, when women began to write original fairy tales. ("Beauty and the Beast" comes from this later period.)

You have looked at Shrek, have seen lessons that are true to the old village folk tales -- that neither beauty nor wealth indicate virtue, that goodness is as goodness does, that power is often evil or stupid -- and have not liked them because those lessons don't support the power structure.

You apparently prefer Versailles to the villages. You don't trust the people to know shit from shinola. It's up to their betters to explain popular entertainment to them in such a way that won't damage civilized behavior.

Versailles belongs to the proletariat now, and to the rest of the people. You probably find it shocking that to take property from the powerful is OK according to the old tales, too, when power is selfish and corrupt. "Jack and the Beanstalk" lives.

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