re: the chinese already do much more than waterboarding to spys.
nobody has yet to definitively define waterboarding as torture.
Aside from us, when it was used by our enemies in WWII?
Man, you are so completely mindlessly ignorant. Just because at the moment there are a (rapidly shrinking) number of people in positions of power who subscribe to the same conclusion as you (though using more cogent, intelligent and informed arguments) Does not make you right. Capability to exercise your will does not make the end you seek justified.
You have mistaken this time and time again. And time and time again, what you thought was right... Wasn't. Your ideology failed to produce results. Failed, completely, to accomplish any of your stated aims.
Yeti