I didn't mean to imply your points aren't aren't valid and ingenious - they are. I just meant to add that the shroud has been determined to have not existed until the Middle Ages and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.

I appreciate your pointing out the cross-over between science and religion. Arguing with people who believe in the virgin birth, complete with wise men, and the resurrection is always going to be a losing proposition, however.

It does surprise me that human brains have evolved with the capacity to firmly believe that which is clearly falacious. I would think that the fittest would be able to adapt to reality rather smoothly. That isn't the reality, though.

Arf