You know that we havent won, and that we are not likely to 'win'... its a war that was started without justification while you cheered, it was massively screwed up while you cheered, and it is still dragging on indefinitely while you cheer....

Your cheers are ringing hollow, TB, and the only one that believes your BS is you.

The surge has brought down violence (Although there are indications that a new technology is more responsible for that than the surge itself) but the surge was always acknowledgd as unsustainable and is coming to an end- meanwhile we still have an Iraq that will dissolve into violence without our presence...

There is a reason why the majority disagree with you on this war, TB, its because you are pathetically blinded by your unthinking defense of this failed policy.