But my editorial comments were a Flame, and belonged there, so I moved it.

I keep on getting hit over the head, over and over, with evidence that these people don't just sincerely disagree with me, they KNOW perfectly well they are propagating lies and they are doing so solely for their ideological position, which is is determined solely by their class interest.

They are not just mistaken, and they are not just subconsciously influenced by their self-interest, (I could deal with that) they are deliberately and maliciously lying. There is a big difference.

These people are right up there with the MDs that worked for the tobacco companies. They know exactly what they're doing and who they're working for.