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"Does it matter which side they were on?"

In my view, the side that establishes freedom for all residents to live in peace and security, whether they are Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists, straight, gay, whatever, - matters. Islamo-fascism is a violently intolerant philosophy and there is no equating them with open and free societies.

Israel is not a theocracy. There is no formal separation of religion and state like in the US Constitution, but the extent of religious influence is state-run and public institutions are required to observe kosher dietary laws, and public transport is shut down on the Jewish sabbath. Marriage and divorce is done within whatever religion is relevant. Hardly are theocratic tyranny.

Every single nation that exists on earth was once migrated to. Few have a continuous presence as long as Jews in Israel. Again, thousands never left and I'm pretty sure they have been a majority in Jerusalem throughout most of history. There has never been a nation of Palestinian Arabs. It has been ruled by outside powers since Roman times. They have been offered a state many times and their plight today rest entirely on the decisions to refuse by their leaders.

Also, as I pointed out in the past, Gaza was a defacto Palestinian state entirely run by Palestinians for nearly two decades. What happened? $26 billion in foreign aid flowed in and Hamas spent all of it on terror tunnels and weapons to kill Jews. They could have turned Gaza into a beautiful Mediterranean jewel of a city (like Beirut was before the PLO ruined it). They could have made it a place where their people thrived. Instead they chose to turn it into a death cult.

And to repeat, if Israel's enemies laid down their arms the wars and deaths would end. If Israel laid down their arms, Israel would end in a genocidal massacre. Again, no equivalence. Jews are not "killing them until they stop hating us." They are defending themselves from people who want to murder them.

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