You make some good points, I was just trying to respectful to those who laid the foundation for what we have today and point out to the original poster that w/o religion (organized or not) we may have not taken those fateful first steps towards a civilized world. And to never say never.
In part from a financial times article :
.... by the time Newton wrote his principia, the idea of an enterely secular science had won the day. Thereafter, there was no looking back except for those few who could not (and still cannot) accept the conclusions of observation, experimentation, and reason.
Lets open that window of change and get some fresh air in here.
see ya, VINCE