<...worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War.

Absolutely NONE of this has happened. None. No wholesale violations of citizen's rights. No suppression of dissent (if they are suppressing it, they're really doing a crappy job). No camps. No failed invasions.

Cripes, he vomits out the entire leftist litany in one paragraph: the 2000 election, Enron, the environment, the evcil rich, treaties, the poor, and support of Israel. This is reasonable discourse?

...I would love to see Saddam’s downfall — just not on Bush’s terms and not by his methods. And not under the banner of such outrageous hypocrisy.

I would ask him what I ask every leftist who says this. HOW???? What methods? Under what banner? The goddam U.N.? How are they supposed to enforce anything? Nasty letters? How do you cause Saddam's downfall without the threat of military force? And who gets called on when such force is needed? It sure as hell ain't Belgium.

Usual response to this question: a quick change of subject. They've got nothing at all to offer. Nothing. Not one of these assholes has come up with a workable alternative to the monsters infesting this planet.