We have AT LEAST two American citizens held indefinitely without charges or representation. (Padilla may finally get to see an attorney.)

And Bush and Ashcroft have asserted they have the right to hold people indefinitely without charges WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE, so we don't know how many more. WE DON'T KNOW.

It's a bit like the "Night and Fog" of Hitler. People just disappeared.

The question to you is - how many rapes does it take to make a rapist, how many murders to make a murderer, how many citizens held without charges or representation to make a despot?

Over two, three, a hundred? Do we have to know about them - I mean if a person murders a hundred women and they aren't reported, is he still murderer?

You should be an attorney. "Your honor, to our knowledge my client only murdered two people. Our of 280 million, that's not a lot. And they had it coming. So, it's clear. He has to be set free!!!" Johnny Cochran would love the logic.

Silly. Your guys have done as much damage to the American Way as Richard Nixon ever dreamed of trying.

Arf