"Well, We did it by force in europe!"
Only after they [our allies] begged, pleaded and demanded that we free them from nazi occupation

"Well, Japan and Germany didn't ask for it"

Yes, and the point of WWII was not to install democracy in Japan and Germany, it was to obliterate them as opposing forces to preserve our national survival. Democracy was a kind gift by a benevolent America to shamed and even brutalized pawns.

"Well, Saddam will kill more people!"

Yes, so because Saddam will murder N+M people against their moral will as a people, we are right in Killing N people against their moral will as a people.

"Well, the difference between us and them is that we try hard NOT to kill innocents"

Yes, so, Who is included in 'them'? Saddam and his cadre? Okay, yeah, they are scum buckets. But how many people between us and 'them', who are not 'them' (but are peace loving gentle folk like we claim to be)have to die so that we can kill 'them'. And, after we kill all those 'not them' people standing in our way, how is it that we are different from 'them'

"This is a war of liberation"

This is a war of lies if it is to be called that.

Davin L.