You don't know NASA's history nor do you seem inclined to read it. You don't reply to anything I write, but do go off on tangents.

Ed, I will give you hint. The person who keeps saying things about the mental condition of those he debates, like "hysteria typical of denial collapse" is probably suffering from those things they talk of...

I give up! An ideal Mars Suit weight would depend on the "gravity" of the spacecraft taking you to Mars and the duration it's used, but about 60 to 80 pounds is usually mentioned.

I know this is pointless but provide evidence of your claims and people here will think about it otherwise it is in the dustbin of useless BS.

EP wrote: In terms of engineering man-hours, it is quite easy to show that the NASA Reference mission has limited engineering detail in comparison with earlier efforts.

Then do so dipstick!

--Chris Vancil