Chris wrote:"You don't know NASA's history nor do you seem inclined to read it. You don't reply to anything I write, but do go off on tangents."

Since the facts on NASA's history presented in the earlier post are easily verified, and entirely undeniable, note the denial mechanisms. It is particularly fascinating that this denial extends to very basic levels, and especial note should be made of the very basic perceptual interference.

Chris wrote: "Ed, I will give you hint. The person who keeps saying things about the mental condition of those he debates, like "hysteria typical of denial collapse" is probably suffering from those things they talk of..."

I think that Lincoln once said never to debate a fool, lest people become confused. This is not a "debate", any more than running a mouse through a maze is...

Chris wrote: "I give up! An ideal Mars Suit weight would depend on the "gravity" of the spacecraft taking you to Mars and the duration it's used, but about 60 to 80 pounds is usually mentioned."

Notice the escape mechanism. Reacting to the topic of the lack of public interest in sending men to Mars, the individual escapes to the topic of Mars suits for which there is no demand.

Chris wrote: "I know this is pointless but provide evidence of your claims and people here will think about it otherwise it is in the dustbin of useless BS."

Note that due to the perceptual problems no amount of evidence will ever suffice - it is simply not percieved because of the fantasies, fantasies which satisfy certain very basic psyhcological needs.

EP wrote: In terms of engineering man-hours, it is quite easy to show that the NASA Reference mission has limited engineering detail in comparison with earlier efforts.

Chris wrote: "Then do so dipstick!"

It would be a complete waste of my time to do it for the limited number of Mars Nuts who congregate here - in other words, work to no personal benefit, and for that matter for no benefit at all.

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