McFly wrote: " I strongly suspect, tho, that you're in an entirely different league than I am, "

Maybe, maybe not. I am a bona-fide idiot when it comes to Swing & Gui implementation and design- I mean I really suck. (so bad in fact, that I'm thinking about pickibg up a second Masters in HCI from CMU just to FORCE myself to get it right)

I like dull model code... object modeling is so fun... Thinking out the entities in the domain youre dealing with and articulating exactly and only the qualities they should have. I rock at design and implementation for server side and data persistence. I can do algorithms pretty good.

But I'm completely an idiot when it comes to HCI and interface implementation.

Java is a pretty big boat, and its easy to suck at one thing and excell at others.