We can discuss those after we clear the air. You want vengance against those who bombed WTC, as if that were an attack coming out of a vacuum, not a natural consequence of US foreign policy.

OK. "You attack me, I get to attack you." We have attacked them many, many times before WTC. According to you, the attack on WTC would have been justified. "We attack you, you get to attack us."

Next, "you attack me, I get to bomb the shit out of you." It was Saudi Arabians who planned, funded, manned and carried out the attack. You ignored that point. Saudi Arabians. According to your logic, you get to go bomb the shit out of, hold on, here it comes, right behind door one, be sure you are sitting down, (trumpet flourish), Saudi Arabia. Some of the funds were traced directly to the wife of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the US.

Now by your logic, you get to bomb the shit out of, kill, maim and torture hundreds of thousands of, hold on again, this is a surprise, this follows "you attack me I get to bomb the shit out of you", here it comes, the people you "get" to kill are Iraqis. Not Saudi Arabians.

Justify that and we can move on to the next part of the discussion, how I object to our side doing ugly things on a careless, mass scale. We'll discuss Agent Orange, a WMD, white phosphorous, killing, raping, maiming, torturing innocent people simply for the hell of it. But that's next. We need to come to an understanding of your position that we get to attack Iraq because Saudi Arabia perpetrated an attack on WTC.

(And don't say it wasn't "Saudi Arabia". It was their people with money funneled through their government. It wasn't Iraqi people with money funneled through their government.)