Online polls are a load of crap. Always.

On the other hand, when a real poll is taken, the results are that 69 percent of the respondents want Rumsfeld to stay in.

Some other results:

- two-thirds of Americans favored criminal charges against the soldiers involved.

- 54 percent said punishment should go up the chain of command to higher-level officers, who allowed a breakdown of training and discipline

- 48 percent of those polled approved of Bush's handling of the scandal, while 35 percent disapproved and 17 percent expressed no opinion.

- By a wide margin -- 62 percent against 31 percent -- the American public believed the apparent abuse represented "a few isolated incidents" rather than something more widespread.

It will be interesting to see which set of numbers becomes the "meme."