TRY for a moment to throw away your foaming at the mouth party loyalties... TRY to realize that I am not a Kerry zealot- detest Kerry slightly less than Bush... just listen to these points and respond rationally...

1) We were attacked by evil people on sept. 11th... in the aftermath we gained the support of most the world. They supported our just reaction and we could get them to help us in any effort we wanted to annihilate terrorism.

2) we started to annihilate theose responsible, then we told lies to the world and said that Iraq and Saddam were part of the problem. And you can try to deny it, we linked without proof Saddam with 9-11... the rest of the world for the most part said no, that isnt true...

3) We invaded and bombed Iraq, killing far more civillians, and children than died in 9-11... our claims have been shown a lie...

4) In the process of going to war in Iraq we lost the strong support of the world.... whats more in telling proven lies to them to justify our actions we lost their trust....

5) we have spent hundreds of billions to wage this war, and have CREATED a place for terrorists where there was none before... Meanwhile Osama is alive, and innocents are dying...

6) We are NOT creating stability in Iraq, the violence is increasing, and the hatred is just growing...

7) The pro-war right is ignoring the civillian deaths and dismisses the influx of terrorists as bugs for the 'bug-zapper', like the innocents that are dying are irrelavent... kinda like the mindset of a suicide bomber that blows up a bus full of moms dads and kids... because they are 'irrelavent' compared to the cause....

8) WHAT THE HELL HAVE WE WON?

This was a settling of a family feud, no more no less- we helped Saddam keep power and now we have to deal with it with killing more Iraqis... Where is the reason in this?

I dont know how many of you are in touch with reality, but facts are facts... the war on Iraq was justified by lies, and it has hurt our ability to do anything about terrorism, and it has in fact served as a recruiting device for terrorists.

Some great 'BUG-ZAPPER' we made... it kills a few and brings on a swarm....