You might not understand how much the Left has invested in failure in Iraq.

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You might not understand how much the Left has invested in failure in Iraq.

Tom Brosz — 12/20/2004 11:02:04 PM (archived)

It isn't just about Bush, although that's a lot of it. It's about the entire Vietnam syndrome, the foundational principle that America is the real source of the problems in this world, and its corollary that no good can ever come of American "interference" in foreign nations.

If Iraq manages to become a free and prosperous nation, the Left takes a major hit, and they know it.

Although many people will pretend it's otherwise, if we weren't in Iraq at all, all this same crap would be focused on Afghanistan. Go back to news, commentary, and blogs at the end of 2001 and see what they were saying back before Iraq became the focus.

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Parallel universe - "Bush: Rumsfeld doing 'a really fine job'" No quagmire, I guess. - Bowser - 12/20/2004 9:55:48 PM
- Vote: Do you have confidence in Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld? - Eric - 12/21/2004 12:45:49 AM
  - MSNBC Poll - Eric - 12/21/2004 12:50:13 AM
    - re: MSNBC Poll - Ruth Samuels - 1/25/2005 6:32:35 PM
    - Online polls are crap. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/21/2004 6:13:39 AM
- There's your problem. You're reading the papers. - Tom Brosz - 12/20/2004 10:51:39 PM
  - Yeah, the fact can be a real downer! - Davin L. - 12/21/2004 2:42:58 AM
    - You compared the reliability of the two lately? - Tom Brosz - 12/21/2004 3:48:31 AM
    - er, facts (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/21/2004 2:57:15 AM
- It is impossible to judge the success of our efforts in Iraq until AFTER the upcoming elections and the establishment of a functional democracy in Iraq. If that fails, we have failed. Otherwise, we h… (n/t) - David F Mayer - 12/20/2004 10:03:10 PM
  - The "elections" mean squat. Nothing. - Bowser - 12/21/2004 12:20:50 AM
    - Just like in Germany, Japan, and Afghanistan? - ebnelson - 12/21/2004 2:37:44 AM
      - God, would you PLEASE shut up or take your base insults and vulgarity over to flame! (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/21/2004 6:37:53 PM
      - "You are so fucking stupid. Ed" How so ed? (n/t) - Bowser - 12/21/2004 4:11:27 AM
        
        Study history, idiot. In fact, read the paper. Inspite of your cowardly lies, (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/21/2004 2:10:30 PM
        
        Uh, let's have some substance, eb, something besides name-calling. (Right!!) (n/t) - Bowser - 12/21/2004 3:51:49 PM
        
        You obviously never studied it, but way back in the 1940's we had a World War. In that war the left was suppressed and the US won. - ebnelson - 12/21/2004 4:53:12 PM
        
        You took careful,deliberate aim, and then shot yourself in the foot- (anyone surprised?) - R.L. - 12/22/2004 6:31:03 AM
        
        Yeah! the Evil Left that passed the New Deal, set up the TVA, the WPA, welfare and... dragged this country kicking and screaming into a war against the facists despite the pissing and moaning of righ… - Davin L. - 12/21/2004 8:22:36 PM
        
        I thought the Republicans were more isolationist than the Dems pre-WWII? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/21/2004 7:19:46 PM
        
        But unlike the democrats of today, once the war started, the Republicans united behind the war effort. (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/21/2004 7:31:53 PM
        
        Unlike the war of today, we were the ones attacked----not the attacker (n/t) - Publius - 12/22/2004 12:52:36 AM
        
        Yeah, but according to the neocons, it was only a matter of time (n/t) - alcaray - 12/22/2004 4:37:05 PM
        
        Well, mostly suppressed. The USSR was there, and on our side. ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/21/2004 6:53:25 PM
        
        The domestic anti-war left was squelched. That is what I was referring to. (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/21/2004 7:30:35 PM
        
        As was the domestic anti-war right. (n/t) - Tony - 12/21/2004 7:33:46 PM
    - Speak for yourself. - Tom Brosz - 12/21/2004 1:58:31 AM
      - One Iraqi, paid by Allah-knows-who, makes your point to your satisfaction. - Bowser - 12/21/2004 4:14:22 AM
        
        It was a taxi driver. Probably paid by the reporter taking the ride. - Tom Brosz - 12/21/2004 5:26:58 AM
  - You might not understand how much the Left has invested in failure in Iraq. - Tom Brosz - 12/20/2004 11:02:04 PM
    - Hmm. Still one of my better posts. Think I'll bookmark it. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 1/26/2005 4:41:45 AM
    - I invest soley on a risk reward basis, I have nothing invested in Iraq, I am part of the left you reference... (n/t) - Publius - 12/21/2004 1:52:43 PM
    - Bowser is not interested in success or failure, - ebnelson - 12/21/2004 2:38:49 AM
    - Tom, it's YOU who gloat over others failures. The left is, as a rule, very, very sad. - Bowser - 12/21/2004 12:23:46 AM

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