I was trying to give Rob the benefit of a doubt

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I was trying to give Rob the benefit of a doubt

ER — 5/13/2013 12:09:51 AM (archived)

The second derivative is small, but non-zero, but not as dramatic as these.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/files/2012/09/naam-ice-12.jpg

So much for the "exaggerated and alarmist" predictions from the IPCC...

And if you look at actual measurements of sea ice volume (as opposed to area) it gets really scary.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/files/2012/09/naam-ice-08.jpg

These are from an excellent article on the Big Melt in Scientific American. Highly recommended if you'd rather hear from scientists who are not on Big Oil's payroll.

The article explains why the arctic ice is so sensitive to global warming, and is therefore an ideal "canary in the coal mine" type indicator.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/09/21/arctic-sea-ice-what-why-and-what-next/

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C02, "Scary." trend - RobVG - 5/12/2013 7:54:54 PM
- The function of that article lies in the headline, not the chart. - TB - 5/13/2013 2:08:11 AM
  - The headline did a good job of boiling down what "James Butler, director of global monitoring at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Earth Science Research Lab in Boulder, Colo." sa… - alcaray - 5/13/2013 8:49:39 AM
    - They can no longer deny the message, - ER - 5/13/2013 1:32:51 PM
      - You saw the same thing I did. "Bad journalism" was YOUR post. n/t - RobVG - 5/13/2013 2:17:13 PM
        
        Just because the journalism is bad doesn't mean the news is made up. n/t - ER - 5/13/2013 3:10:19 PM
        
        PS: Why do conservatives have such a problem with this? - ER - 5/13/2013 3:15:03 PM
        
        I think that they are getting to the point where it's embarrasing to deny. - alcaray - 5/13/2013 5:42:54 PM
        
        When scientific judgements are forced to pass an ideological litmus test..., - ER - 5/13/2013 6:02:38 PM
        
        I can't believe you actually posted that... - TB - 5/13/2013 6:06:20 PM
        
        At your service, yr most hum. and obd't servant. - ER - 5/13/2013 6:28:39 PM
- No, that chart is not linear since 70. It is quite curved. Hold the edge of an envelope up to it if you don't believe me. - alcaray - 5/12/2013 11:55:52 PM
  - Curve in name only. - RobVG - 5/13/2013 12:53:26 AM
    - Only plane geometry is necessary. When you said:... - alcaray - 5/13/2013 1:42:50 AM
      - Be honest- are you just trying to goad me? n/t - RobVG - 5/13/2013 2:00:43 AM
        
        I was questioning your eyesight. - alcaray - 5/13/2013 2:02:55 AM
        
        You better check ER's eyesight too. - RobVG - 5/13/2013 2:05:50 AM
        
        What part of "steady" increase do you not understand? - RobVG - 5/13/2013 2:04:53 AM
        
        my response disappeared, so forgive me if another one appears. - alcaray - 5/13/2013 5:41:59 AM
        
        Actually, you're both wrong. - ER - 5/13/2013 2:39:59 AM
        
        At some point, you have move past yelling "CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS!" - TB - 5/13/2013 4:18:32 AM
        
        But there IS a crisis. - ER - 5/13/2013 1:54:20 PM
        
        At some point people need to move past blaming everything on bad reporting. - alcaray - 5/13/2013 5:38:12 AM
        
        It's not just reporters. - ER - 5/13/2013 1:58:38 PM
    - That's why we need calculus. - ER - 5/13/2013 1:02:04 AM
  - I was trying to give Rob the benefit of a doubt - ER - 5/13/2013 12:09:51 AM
- Bad journalism - ER - 5/12/2013 9:51:42 PM
- It is May 12, 2013 and it is snowing here. How is the weather over there? - johannes - 5/12/2013 9:24:05 PM

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