...by direct contributions from employees. It has nothing to do with California's budget woes.

As far as the Flint plant-closings I make no comment on whether it was good or bad for the company. Honestly, I do not know and have no opinion on the matter (Moore does, obviously). All I pointed out was the impact on the community and on the entire American economy, which REB does not seem to understand, and which you now concede.

So you and I are on the same page here, except where you assert that the impact is limited to the locality of the plant-closing. When a lot of people lose their jobs in a small area, the affects are national as well as local. It is not like the ability to amputate a gangrenous limb. All of those unemployeds are still in the system. They use up safety-net funds. They move out of the area to increase unemployment elsewhere.

Sometimes it is in your own best interest to help someone else. If we get through this recession in less than 2 years, and GM pays back the bailout in that time and becomes profitable (in spite of the dittohead boycott), will you have anything nice to say about Obama and the way he handled it?