If you notice, the thread underlying the EU process is working together for a common good. That sometimes involves sacrificing individual freedoms for having more freedom and security.

For instance, stopping at red lights. THAT is an infringement on freedom. Some people gladly sacrifice that freedom for the larger freedom of being able to go from one place to another in a more-or-less predictable time.

If their kind of thinking prevailed, there would be no red lights, and no one would get anywhere. Because a red light infringes upon individual freedom.

If this kind of thinking prevailed in the later 1700s America would never be. There would be a European kind of division, with little fiefdoms all over.

And the dogfights then as to a constitution for the US were just like those for a constitution for the EU.

You have to wonder how they rationalize the US as a great country, with a form of democracy worth exporting, the light and shining example to the world, and ridicule others who try the same thing.

So help me I don't see how they can do it and be comfortable with their own intellectual processes.

Arf (but that's just me, I guess. They seem comfortable.)