Chris wrote in it's intacted state:I've posted here abstracts coming out of MDRS and FMARS some of which have been in peer reviewed scientific journals and when I did Ed your "ami affectueux" tried to suggest we were a cargo cult. I could provide a sample of 30 some odd papers written concerning work being done at MDRS and FMARS. Not that it matters in short order you will again post nonsense and claim there is no science being done by the Mars Society. Barry you are dishonest or have a very bad memory. Which is it?

Barry quoted only this: "Chris writes: I've posted here abstracts coming out of MDRS and FMARS some of which have been in peer reviewed scientific journals"

Chris writes: It is proper to indicate that your only quoting part of a sentence Barry with three dots usually.

Barry then went on to wrtie: Okay Chris, I'm calling your bluff. Post the peer reviewed scientific journals that say what the Mars Society canavs clad spacement in Utah is valid scientific research. Please list them in alphabetical order, so I can keep them in my data base. Remember Chris, abstracts are not peer reviewed journals!

Chris writes: Your a funny guy Barry. You freqently don't provide a link of anykind or the exact origin of an article or you quote fragments to suit your agenda and repeatly post subjective reports view points like they should be eveyone's views... Anyway, there was no bluff/lie you pay the proper costs for my research and I will give you some papers that directly address science being done at MDRS and FMARS. I will set the price not you. Which would be $135 per hour and I would provide a log of the hours for all to see.

But, you wrote: "Show me one scientific paper that has come from your duct tape and canvas space suit "research"? here." I've provided you with part of the abstract and a link to the PDF of the whole paper. Read it. Comment on it. Till then I see no point in bothering with you any more, including the above offer. (An aside to: Mary Ann and anyone else reading this...I only have so much polite in me before I want to call a liar a liar or an idiot an idiot. I can take the horse to the lake of knowledge, but I can't make it drink.)