While I gave up trying to find a point by the end of that ramble, you apparently ducked my main one.

The insurgents and terrorists are targeting Iraqis. They are not "defending" them against occupation. They are trying to regain their tyranny. They are the ones killing Iraqi civilians now, not us.

Any attempt to try and attach any form of "patriotic" motivations to these people is idiotic. Any attempt to justify their actions by labeling over twenty million Iraqis as "traitors" is idiotic. I can't believe you haven't learned anything since the last time you were here.

It might be interesting to ask any Iraqi on the street what they would say if someone offered them a good job at Halliburton or McDonalds.

Have you even read a newspaper in the past six months?

If you want to join the group burning effigies of Cheney over in Lindyland, feel free. But you know, this board is getting a bit short of sensible liberals. We have more than enough of the other kind.