"And the final joke is that you guys still persist in 'naming' Europe as "socialist" when in fact it is nothing more than state/taxpayer subsided welfare capitalism. 'Socialism' means the complete nationalization of all means of production and distribution - um, isn't that somewhat different?? .. "
Don't the europeans label themselves socialists?
And I think what you meant to say is Totalitarian Socialistic state.
But even Russia had aspects of production and distribution that weren't controlled by the State. Obviously there was it's large black market. And had you some farmers growing their "own food" and bartering. And there was trade- America shipped huge amounts grain to Russia. And of course the Soviet elites bought lots of stuff from outside the country. So even the Soviet Union doesn't fit your definition of socialist. Now when you get a country as dirt poor as China was, you might get a bit closer to your definition, but of course it still was not very pure. I guess N Korea with sanctions on it gets pretty close to it. But I think everyone will simply starve to death if everything was actually controlled by the state.
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