#1 in cost, #37 in outcomes. And some people love the status quo.

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#1 in cost, #37 in outcomes. And some people love the status quo.

bowser — 10/31/2013 3:13:55 AM (archived)

Are they nuts or just plain crazy?

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I rejoice in our healthcare! - Jody - 10/30/2013 2:57:10 AM
- Okay...so correct me...PLEASE...if I am wrong - Jody - 10/31/2013 11:48:24 PM
  - Notice the smooth transition, Jody? - TB - 11/1/2013 8:24:53 PM
    - It was a social experiment Tom. - Jody - 11/1/2013 11:41:19 PM
      - I guess the joke's on me - alcaray - 11/2/2013 1:59:01 AM
  - Your post is incomprehensible to me. I would help if I could. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 2:17:33 AM
    - S'all good. You and your ilk have done quite enough already. - Jody - 11/1/2013 3:19:59 AM
      - You made an extravagant claim. You gave no foundation for it. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:45:44 AM
        
        Not extravagant. - Jody - 11/1/2013 2:50:32 PM
        
        Who ya gonna believe? - Robert - 11/1/2013 9:04:52 PM
        
        There *was* a descrepancy, you and alcaray were absolutely right!!! - Jody - 11/1/2013 10:06:21 PM
        
        Even so: how was he covering his deductible for the old policy? You need to add everything up. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 11:01:45 PM
        
        Give up - Robert - 11/2/2013 12:22:58 AM
        
        I ain't no hoodrat - Jody - 11/2/2013 1:39:49 AM
        
        Bwahahaha it is all true. - Jody - 11/2/2013 12:47:20 AM
        
        Especially the numbers below that nobody wants to come within five miles of. - TB - 11/2/2013 1:26:56 AM
        
        Oh trust me I have added it all up - Jody - 11/2/2013 12:08:54 AM
        
        I guess I was wrong to call it "unverifiable" - Robert - 11/1/2013 10:50:33 PM
        
        He is 58 years old. - Jody - 11/1/2013 10:59:25 PM
        
        Did I call it or what? - TB - 11/1/2013 10:43:28 PM
        
        :) - Jody - 11/2/2013 12:09:47 AM
        
        Don't believe everything you read on the internet. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 6:05:23 PM
        
        And PS - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:49:42 AM
- Another way to look at it... - SteveS - 10/31/2013 5:31:35 PM
- #1 in cost, #37 in outcomes. And some people love the status quo. - bowser - 10/31/2013 3:13:55 AM
  - The important thing is that preexisting mental illness is now covered under ObamaCare. - Robert - 10/31/2013 3:32:07 AM
    - Heh. - TB - 10/31/2013 4:01:46 PM
- Why did it go up? n/t - RobVG - 10/30/2013 3:06:43 AM
  - This may be one reason. - Jody - 10/30/2013 8:33:45 AM
    - Do you live in a state where they refused to set up an exchange? - alcaray - 10/30/2013 4:33:19 PM
- Ours went up $400 a month - TB - 10/30/2013 3:04:30 AM
  - You went through the CA exchange, and shopped, right? - alcaray - 10/30/2013 4:31:50 PM
    - I have employer-provided insurance, and it's Health Net. - TB - 10/30/2013 5:08:41 PM
      - Lots of folks benefit from the competetive listings on the exchanges. You don't have to earn the subsidy to benefit. - alcaray - 10/30/2013 6:45:35 PM
        
        There have been competitive listing websites online for years. - TB - 10/30/2013 7:02:57 PM
        
        If ACA did nothing new then never mind. - alcaray - 10/30/2013 7:56:31 PM
        
        Re: If ACA did nothing new then never mind. - TB - 10/30/2013 8:26:05 PM
        
        A lot of people are finding respectable savings, and improved policies. - alcaray - 10/30/2013 8:37:58 PM
        
        Numbers - SteveS - 10/31/2013 6:04:42 PM
        
        Statistics - alcaray - 10/31/2013 10:32:13 PM
        
        Assumptions - SteveS - 11/1/2013 5:17:39 PM
        
        9 million. - RobVG - 11/1/2013 1:35:07 AM
        
        Considerably less than that, right? - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:40:23 AM
        
        You're right. Let's just make that 3 million. - RobVG - 11/1/2013 2:38:44 PM
        
        If you guys should wonder where you get your reputation as heartless bastards... - alcaray - 11/1/2013 6:07:19 PM
        
        I had to go to work. - RobVG - 11/2/2013 2:23:26 AM
        
        Did I say something controversial? - alcaray - 11/2/2013 7:31:07 PM
        
        Topic - RobVG - 11/3/2013 4:41:58 PM
        
        They aren't "sacrificed". And TB's "statistics" are merely predictions. - alcaray - 11/3/2013 6:26:59 PM
        
        Time out. - RobVG - 11/3/2013 8:08:58 PM
        
        Do you honestly think "clear numbers" will make an impression? - TB - 11/3/2013 8:44:53 PM
        
        Well, if you weren' - alcaray - 11/3/2013 8:41:06 PM
        
        Re: 9 million. - TB - 11/1/2013 3:36:26 AM
        
        miles from earth? - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:35:29 AM
        
        Wait until the employer mandate hits. - TB - 10/31/2013 10:54:25 PM
        
        I wonder how part D would have destroyed the universe, if it hadn't been a Republican invention. - alcaray - 10/31/2013 11:23:58 PM
        
        Nope. - TB - 10/31/2013 11:42:20 PM
        
        I guess I am too stupid to see the connection between your post and Gruber's statistics. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 1:19:33 AM
        
        You know, I'm going to actually give this a shot: - TB - 11/1/2013 3:47:25 AM
        
        Sorry, when you said "statistics" I thought you contested his numbers somehow. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 5:25:01 AM
        
        I contested Gruber's whole damn premise. - TB - 11/1/2013 3:47:47 PM
        
        jello-nailing = convincing your opposite number that you are right and he is wrong. - alcaray - 11/1/2013 6:11:21 PM
        
        P.S. - TB - 10/31/2013 11:07:18 PM

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