REB, we've cited evidence til we're blue in the face and the response has often been "Well Clinton did......" I've seen countless debates where numerous cases of solid evidence have been hammered from multiple sources and the response has been "Well show me a Democrat who could do any better."

REB, I don't want to be condescending with you because you at least respond without putdowns but you're calling for solid evidence for what appears, to most educated and intelligent people I know, to be absolutely obvious revelations about blunders in our national politics and you can't see it. Yet, you're a deeply religious man who was transformed by some supposed observed miracle that completely defies science and logic without one shred of physical evidence you can produce to support your theory. I'm sorry but eyewitness accounts don't count under your standards here.

I'm sorry REB but I'm sticking with my contention that it wouldn't matter if the evidence of Bush's imcompetence and complicity in diminishing our country hit you solidly over the head, you are so indoctrinated into your beliefs and religious fervor that everything is reaching you through some distorted filter and it will simply never sink in.

And, I hate to say it but no, I do not nor will I ever respect your views as long as you can't see the damage that's being done to our country and our world by this incompetent and very likely evil bunch. I could care less anymore if you respect mine. The line in the sand has been drawn in this one and there's no more room in my world for ignorance. I'm not some hippy moonbeam guy that believes I have to love all humans. I only prefer the ones that have evolved.

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