It ISNT about being meek! Its about sticking to what we supposedly stand for! DO YOU REALLY, AFTER ALL THIS TIME AND ARGUMENT, NOT GET THIS POINT BY NOW?!

We HAVE been guilty of war crimes here- the Haditha incident just to name one- we have been also guilty of bombing wedding parties- and you will say they deserved it because they were firing guns in the air..... while admittedly this is a STUPID and IRRESPONSIBLE thing to do, there are areas of our cities where non muslims do this too- should we bomb them? Arrest them, yes.... but bomb them?

we are approaching 3500 dead soldiers in this mess, Our invasion has led to many tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths and it looks like it was all for nothing- either we will pull out and there will be civil war, or we stay and there will be civil war AND our troops in the middle- Tell me TB, how have we made things better either way- especially when you consider the wider ramifications to the area.....

This was a monumental mistake, and, NO I dont have any idea how to fix it- but it is OBVIOUS we should not have done this in the first place- and you and the other sychophants of this administration cheered it on, and are still cheering it on- but even the most devout of you are cheering a lot quieter- and with good reason....

Just admit it was a goddamn mistake, and this administration was incompetent to handle it and I might respect your opinion.