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Robert — 12/7/2015 9:23:32 PM (archived)

But I'm not sure I understand your definition of "try". The US has been participating in air strikes for a while now, and didn't we just "not" put boots on the ground with "advisers" working out of northern Iraq?

I don't think Obama was saying that ISIS can't be defeated militarily, so much as that it's not smart to get tunnel vision and obsess with satisfying explosions alone.

I've been talking about how it's much broader than just hitting back at ISIS for what Farook and Malik did. (Kind of like us hitting Iraq for that time al Qaeda hit us, come to think of it. We don't aim so good.) It's kind of immaterial whether ISIS masterminded or just applauded San Bernardino. Suppose we do destroy ISIS militarily. Will that in any way prevent Muslims living in the West from becoming radicalized, concluding that we hate them for their religion, and striking out at their own societies to strike back?

That's the idea I keep pointing out that we're fighting. The idea that we're the bad guys. You don't fight an idea like that by behaving like Imperial Storm Troopers and flocking to the banner of a heavy-breathing Strong Man/Sith Lord. You really don't.

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Meanwhile-On Fox News - RL - 12/7/2015 2:43:05 AM
- Holy jumping-up-and-down Martha!! - bowser - 12/7/2015 10:28:11 PM
  - But not surprising. - ER - 12/7/2015 10:34:50 PM
- Whenever we hear of a new shooting on the news... - ER - 12/7/2015 3:28:38 AM
- Once and for all, the only scary thing is the lack of leadership. N/t - RobVG - 12/7/2015 3:11:19 AM
  - An example... - RobVG - 12/7/2015 3:35:02 AM
    - Geez, Rob, it's just so obvious. - bowser - 12/8/2015 4:54:29 AM
  - Oh, you are being led quite well - RL - 12/7/2015 3:24:36 AM
    - You stupid mother fucker. I don't watch fox news. - RobVG - 12/7/2015 3:36:21 AM
      - Yet every single talking point of yours - RL - 12/7/2015 4:00:42 AM
        
        I apologize for the outburst and profanity. - RobVG - 12/7/2015 6:26:29 PM
        
        This is Flame, after all - Robert - 12/7/2015 9:23:32 PM
        
        NBC nightly new is saying the same thing I said. Other than the cease fire- there is nothing new n/t - RobVG - 12/8/2015 3:54:30 AM
        
        What was it, 50 special forces? - RobVG - 12/8/2015 1:28:19 AM
        
        Why do you think there's such a stark partisan divide on these issues? - Robert - 12/8/2015 4:35:08 AM
        
        I'll make a good little soldier. n/t - RobVG - 12/8/2015 5:04:35 AM
        
        That's sad. - Robert - 12/8/2015 6:35:52 AM
        
        No, you won't, but a lot of American kids will - mcfly - 12/8/2015 5:15:04 AM
        
        Chicken-Hawks unite... - RL - 12/8/2015 2:37:34 PM
        
        Re: What was it, 50 special forces? - RL - 12/8/2015 3:04:50 AM
        
        Trump, the GOP front-runner, just made 'Hate Muslims' his platform... - RL - 12/8/2015 3:14:01 AM
        
        Why don't we take a look at incidents instead of trying to gauge attitudes. - RobVG - 12/8/2015 3:45:37 AM
        
        That is what you have? - RL - 12/8/2015 4:13:33 AM
        
        Take a listen to this... - RL - 12/8/2015 3:21:50 AM
        
        Actually, no - Robert - 12/7/2015 4:56:52 AM
        
        Nice and paternalistic. - TB - 12/7/2015 5:48:29 AM
        
        Thanks - Robert - 12/7/2015 5:41:52 PM
        
        You're really good at pasting labels on people. - TB - 12/7/2015 4:53:38 AM
        
        OUR narrative is taking bad hits? - ER - 12/7/2015 2:08:20 PM
        
        Well, TB, - - - - bowser - 12/7/2015 6:48:59 AM

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