Thanks Patrick, I knew some of what was shared, but that explained some of the rest.

As for the converting of Chanukah to a jewish Christmas, I agree. After-all the whole reason for the Maccabean uprising was because of the Greeks denying religious freedom to their subjects. Actually the greeks did more than deny them it, they persecuted the religious. I realize now, thanks to your source, that it is not the war victory which is celebrated, but the miracle of the oil, but still the irony runs deep.

As for the topics of pagen rituals on Christmas that have been brought up on previous threads. I cut down my tree last week and it currently occupies a window seat in my living room (complete with a modest angel on top). We do this not because it has anything to do with Christ's birth, but because it is a fun tradition, which we enjoy continuing. If Christmas means nothing more than the giving of gifts to friends and family, than let it be so. If it has deep religious meaning, than also let it be. I don't understand the obsession some have to force the views of the world into their views. Customs are different from person to person and culture to culture. No matter the culture, in this world it will surely be commercialized and propogandized. Nothing new here.

Happy Chanukah,

-Steve G.