With ignorance as your shovel. You dig faster than I can throw dirt back in. You're way out of the sunshine now, and sinking. I'd give it up.

For instance, the POWs regarded their resistance as a means of retaining their "sovereignity". (Do yourself a favor. Get the tapes shown on PBS from your local outlet and watch them, write John McCain's office and ask for suggesting reading. Float your "kiss their ass" theory past one of those guys and see what he has to say.)

On a national level, ask an older Finn whether they regarded it as wiser to fight the Russians or if "kiss their ass" was an issue. They fought, by the way, against much stronger forces. (Finland v. USSR)

However, you keep insisting that in the face of irrestible force one "kiss the ass" of the aggressor. You've said it so many times I suspect you believe it. You and Chamberlain. You and every guy who has 14 boy-friends in every penitentiary he's ever been in. The followers of the Frank Doctrine are kissing a lot of ass, I'll say that.

That's not the way it works. At least for anyone who wants to be doing something besides "kissing ass" for the rest of their lives.

Some of us would rather not face that existence. And I pity those of you who would, am glad you're not on my "side". "Better Red than dead?" Probably not. At least for those who still have the means to procreate.

Arf